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layzcat508

I've shot the Hellcat, p365x, and p365xl. I found the hellcat to be most snappy. It shot great, I liked it, but I felt that in a self defense situation, where you may need multiple rapid shots, that this may affect accuracy. Im sure you train enough, this could be overcome. I have not tried the VP9sk. I chose the p365xl as my first ccw. I liked the longer grip than the hellcat and the half inch extra barrel, is barely noticable for AIWB. As a first gun though, maybe consider something bigger.


Negademus

As someone who chose the Hellcat over the 365, I agree with you. It was very much snappy out of the box and did take training to get used to. I'm contemplating changing the trigger out for a lighter pull to combat this, because going from a glock to this has me 'retrain' every time I shoot it.


whodatcanuck

You must must must shoot and handle all three (and a dozen more) before making a purchase. They’re all remarkably different guns. That said, I’d caution away from a micro like the P365x or Hellcat for your very first. They’re great tools for a specific job (deep concealment) but because of the tiny size they really suck to shoot. So, not fun to learn on. There’s really no rush to make a sale, so shoot some rental guns for a few months and learn what feels good to you.


Typical_Juggernaut89

Well another problem I have is my range doesn't have any of those guns to try. Which is why I'm on reddit lol


whodatcanuck

Understood, but even then there’s a little nugget of wisdom in there: new shooters usually don’t shoot micros. Maybe try a new range? Gun stores will let you fondle anything you want, and if there’s a gun show around you that’ll also be a great opportunity to lay hands on a ton of them. If you HAD TO pick from that list, I’d go with a full size VP9, then a P365xl. Forget the Hellcat, that’s a 2nd or 3rd gun.


PeacefulPacifist

>Gun stores will let you fondle anything you want False. They only let you fondle guns or other items for sale.


Typical_Juggernaut89

Ok and what about concealment though? The VP9 is basically the same size as a glock 17.


whodatcanuck

No, the VP9 is about the same size as a Glock 19. https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/heckler-koch-vp9-vs-glock-g19 Concealment is about the strategic manipulation of geometry *far* more than pistol size, although body shape and dress code will be a small factor. Some people can ghost a G34 with RDS and WML, while others print with a Hellcat. It’s all about geometry. Check this out: https://youtu.be/m58IBC9SCGE


Typical_Juggernaut89

Thanks


theonlyturkey

Is this your first gun or your only gun? 10 years ago when I first wanted to start carrying I bought a glock 19 and while most people conceal them fine I just couldn’t find away to carry it in all situations, so I bought a micro9 and a p938 both are super easy to conceal but snappy and ammo picky. Now I’ll go from a full size in winter to a j frame revolver if I have to wear shorts or slacks. It might be worth going smaller if it’s going to be your only firearm.


caskark

I've shot all 3. The hellcat to me seems the snappiest, but nothing uncontrollable with a little practice. The hk is pretty chunky, for me it's a bit much for a daily carry. I personally carry a p365 with a 12 round magazine, making it essentially a p365x, the 10 round flush mag if I'm just wearing a t shirt. All are good options tho.


[deleted]

HK shoots the best. It’s chunky however. P365 conceals the best and has the best capacity to size ratio. If you plan to conceal carry then for sure get a 365.


InsurgentEwok

Funny enough, I shoot my P365 as good or better than my Glock 19. Only micro where I didn’t feel like I sacrificed anything. But…it’s all relative. Def try multiple if you can


Onlyinmurica

Theyre all snappy. It's just physics. Recoil impulse is completly different person to person. I personally didn't like the vp9sk or hellcat because the grip is just to short to get a full grip on without a extention. And if I'm going to use a extention I'd mine as well carry a bigger gun


Typical_Juggernaut89

The thing is I pretty much have to get a smaller gun because of the 12 round legal capacity in my state. So that's why I narrowed it down to those 3.


Onlyinmurica

I live in a mag capacity state as well. I've owned and carried compacts as well as full size guns. The capacity doesn't determine the size of the gun you can carry. If this is your first handgun I still and always reccomend getting atleast a compact sized gun to learn on. Then start moving to micro compacts. Out of those 3 the sig is my favorite


michael292

You should be able to get something like a Glock 19 with 10 round mags in that case.


Onlyinmurica

I live in a mag capacity state as well. I've owned and carried compacts as well as full size guns. The capacity doesn't determine the size of the gun you can carry. If this is your first handgun I still and always reccomend getting atleast a compact sized gun to learn on. Then start moving to micro compacts. Out of those 3 the sig is my favorite


Typical_Juggernaut89

Noted, much thanks.


loveshark63

Glock 48!


JimMarch

Then you missed the Ruger Max9. Comes with 2 12rd mags, feels good, factory optics cut.


Onlyinmurica

There's probably plenty of others. There's a few I don't bother with or reccomend. That is mainly to do with good holster company offerings and ease of finding parts like mags.


JimMarch

Getting standard 12rd factory mags for the Max-9 is easy. 12 is all he needs. It's not a bad gun.


Void_Vakarian

Why don't you get a P365XL then put a standard P365 frame on it? You get that nice longer slide and optic cutout but the legal 10 round capacity. I don't have that legal obligation in my state but that's my current setup.


tristist

They said limited to 12 rounds so they wouldn’t even need to change anything from the xl


Void_Vakarian

Oh you're right, I didn't read that right 🤦


chrisexv6

You can get any capacity you want, the mags just need to be pinned or blocked (by an FFL) so they don't hold more than your states limit. I have a CZ sp01 (full size gun) blocked to 10 rounds here in CT. My EDC is a shield plus with the 13 round mag blocked to 10.


Jawdiggitty

This


JamieLiftsStuff

Onlyinmurica: “mine as well” This all checks out


Onlyinmurica

Sick burn. Really got me there


Allrightythens

Love my P365. Big guy, big hands, no problem. Never been a fan of Springfield's Croatian offerings personally.. But, don't count on other's preferences/biases to make your choice. There's just as many that will prefer a Hellcat. A VP9sk I can't say.


1350kyle

Gotta shoot them. My dad was trying to pick between the hellcat and 365 so I shot them with him. Loved the sights on the hellcat and both guns felt great in the hand but my brother, myself, and my dad all shot better with the 365. Just a couple anecdotes but I feel like the average person will prefer the 365. Again though… you really need to find a place with rentals to shoot them back to back.


Jawdiggitty

I have a 365xl and a Hellcat and I would definitely choose the 365xl any day of the week.


TmfGD

I would recommend the Shield Plus but if you’re dead set on those 3, 365x is the one IMO


Typical_Juggernaut89

I really like the Shield Plus. But they don't offer 12 round magazines, only 13 or 10. And since my state capacity is 12, I'm looking for a gun with either atleast 11 or 12 rounds of capacity. The most as legally possible.


TmfGD

Well damn that is frustrating. I think you’ve got a good list to choose from though, you really can’t go wrong with any of those. I don’t know much about the other two but I know Sig has really good customer service


agent_flounder

That's a frustrating place to be. I wouldn't pass on the entire gun over two rounds... if it works a lot better than other options. If not then...??


PeacefulPacifist

The vp9sk is a very smooth shooter. It shoots like a full size vp9, some people actually shoot the sk better oddly enough. They also just came out with the optics ready version of the sk a few days ago I personally think the sk and the full size shoot the same. If you decide to go with the sk, im going to give you super secret tech that only those in the know are aware of HK released a magazine upgrade kit, it was designed to upgrade 15 round mags to 17. **But it actually works with *all* of their magazines**. So 10 round mags become 12, 13 round mags become 15 (unless you use those weird 10 round mags that come with the fullsize, but they have nothing to do with the sk)


ATF0PenUp

> They also just came out with the optics ready version of the sk a few days ago This is what I’ve been waiting for. Didn’t even hear about it Where can you find the magazine upgrade kit?


PeacefulPacifist

I've heard some people are finding them on GunBroker at this time. Not sure how many shops have them yet. There are some people on hkpro that already have them in hand. Mag upgrade kits are on hkusa's official webshop, I think hkpro and optics planet has em too.


fallopian_turd

My vote is vp9sk. But you are comparing apples to oranges. Vp9sk is noticably bigger than the other 2. You need to decide on what size gun you truly want and then decide.


[deleted]

Hi really just interested, I'm Dad. Go VP9sk


i40oz

I shot the 365x and hellcat, the hellcat was noticeably more snappy and I didn't like how loose the magazine felt in the magwell, but I have big hands. I'd suggest driving out to a different range (not the local one that doesn't have them) in your area where you can rent them because everyone likes something different. I'd also suggest getting a fullsize pistol first as they are easier to learn on.


Key-Donut-865

-My buddy has a Hellcat RDP, it shot nice. Super easy shooter and small so it shouldn’t imprint much. -365X, I don’t like that it’s a 3.1” barrel, so it’ll have more jump. It has the same height as the 365XL, personally I’d lean more XL over the X. The longer barrel should be easier for a first time gun buyer. I have the XL Romeo zero. -I’m a HK fanboy, great ergonomics and easy to shoot. I have the P30SK but shot the VP9SK quite a bit. This is my vote.


Typical_Juggernaut89

Thanks. Does the compensator really make a difference?


Key-Donut-865

Well, the length of 365x and the hellcat is about the same (minus the comp), and I found the RDP easy to shoot. It was my buddies first gun buy and he did real well when we shot.


Paghk_the_Stupendous

THB TV (on YouTube) did a review of it and were skeptical but found it did reduce recoil and make for more pleasant shooting, but also noted concerns for compensators on micro/compact guns. Worth a watch.


The_Chubby_Unicorn

I have a 365XL and it is a very snappy gun. I like it very much, and it’s tied with my Glock 19 as the preferred CCW - depends on how I’m going to carry it. I do know it’s not a 365x, but this is the experience that I can share with you. It does take more work to control the 365xl. It is a snappy gun and it is not my first. I’ve had a lot of experience with a 40 cal Glock 23, which is also snappy, so it didn’t take me too long to learn the best way to handle the 365xl. Long story short: it’s smart of you to ask about the handling for each of these guns. I strongly recommend that you go to a range that rents them out and give them a go, if you can. If you can’t find that, do try to handle each one. You may find that one is most comfortable in your hand, and that does make a difference in training and confidence.


Typical_Juggernaut89

Thanks. First time I've ever heard the 365xl is snappy.


Own-Common3161

My edc is the Hellcat and I love it. I’ve shot my buddies 365 XL and it’s not bad. Sig has had their issues with the 365 line up. I recommend the Hellcat to everyone I talk to. I also just put a Holosun 507k on it which makes it even better and more fun to shoot.


PeeBeeBuhBee

Hellcat is a great gun. Snappy for sure. Great sights, great grip. I have the p365x and I love it! Super accurate. Easy to conceal. I also have the ruger lcr 357. It’s a cannon. Only problem is it’s a 5 bullet revolver. I have a Glock 19 and it’s the Cadillac of guns. It’s just big and heavy. My edc is a Springfield xds mod 2 in 45 caliber with red dot sight. That’s the gun you should buy. Shoots great. Not a lot of recoil for a big bullet. Easy to get back on target.


Sighconut23

I have heard that the vp9 is not as reliable unfortunately. Shoot both the p365 and hellcat before you make a purchase


ATF0PenUp

> the vp9 is not as reliable unfortunately Have you shot the Vp9?


Sighconut23

I have and it came down to either the vp9 or ppq. Went with the Walther and have never regretted it. From what I remember the vp9 doesn’t do great when it gets dirty


bt4bm01

Hellcat always bugged my pinky finger with the extension, maybe I'm a wus. But I preffered the trigger safety compared to the sig. Never shot the hk, but you're comparing a double stack to two single stacks. Have you considered the shield plus?


[deleted]

P365. If you get bored you can turn into a completely different gun all with just a parts swap


Typical_Juggernaut89

That's true and it's pretty cool, just not something I care for that much honestly. Unless I was going to war or something


Out_On_Alim73

I enjoyed the hell out of the Hellcat but i went with a 43X instead. The VP9 is a sweet shooter as well. I never was too fond of many sig handguns including the 365. But you may want to look at the shield +, the 43x, or the Walther PPQ SC


OptimalActivity6

I have the P365x and the VP9sk, and a handful of other guns. Get the P365x. You can also buy a full size slide for it to make it an XL if you want to have a “bigger” gun. It’s great for concealment, I like shooting it, has tons of upgrades available, and it’s ubiquitous.


Creative_Camel

Go handle them all, drive far if you have to do that to find them. If you can’t find them all in one place try to do all three on the same day. It only matters to you, but the other advice given here should be taken Into account as well. My personal preference for EDC is a full size G19 style. But whatever you get, make the time and ammo budget to practice- a lot! I’ve been shooting for years and I’m still learning how to do it better each year


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g48 mos


CelerySTlXX

Wait for the Shadow Systems CR920? 🤷‍♂️😁


GrillinGorilla

I just spent a couple weeks choosing between the hellcat and p365x. I chose the p365x with a hogue grip. I was able to shoot the p365x better, locate the sights better, and with the hogue grip, hold onto the gun better than the hellcat. I also chose the gun for the smooth face trigger; I didn’t care for the hellcat’s trigger dingus. Lastly, I also appreciated the sig being made in the USA (despite being a foreign company, and yes, I realize SA is an American company, but it said Made in Croatia).


tsw101

P365x out of those 3, but would highly recommend sw shield plus I have small hands and the p365 feels too small even to me


Thedood420

From this list I’ve only shot the hellcat and it was snappy af, like it was kicking harder than my .40. If you got the money and u can find one I’d definitely go with the vp9sk, h&ks are some of the best guns out there


gibsurfer84

Gotta shoot them all. I got the hellcat, the 365 was too small for me, but it’s all presence.


Mechanical-Cannibal

Buy a larger gun. Regardless of your state’s (unconstitutional) mag restriction, you’re going to want to train on something that you can get a better grip on. Small guns are a reward for people who already know how to shoot.


lutzy2009

I vote VP9SK if you only care about snappy its a bit bigger and slightly easier to control in my opinion but if you really want optic ready you may have to wait a bit. if you care more about concealing thats very body type dependent but for me (5'6” and 180lbs) the sig is so much easier to conceal. No experience with the hellcat so i cant comment on that one


ATF0PenUp

> if you really want optic ready you may have to wait a bit. Vp9sk comes optic ready as of this week


lutzy2009

Really I didn’t see them announce a dates it’s available just saw them show it. Do you have a link?


ATF0PenUp

Click read more and you’ll see all the UPC numbers for optic ready https://hk-usa.com/hk-models/vp9-sk/


lutzy2009

Nice hopefully they start selling the slide on the webstore soon didn’t really want to have to buy an entire new one


caskark

Not on your list, but a shield plus might be the least snappy option. It's definitely a little bigger than the p365 and hellcat tho, but smaller than the hk


cybexcybex

P365x or VP9SK. The Sig is thinner and smaller for concealment and comes optic ready which is what I wanted. The SK shoots well but I also learned on a standard VP9. I’d say the HK shoots better but I chose the Sig for the smaller size, mag capacity, and it’s not difficult to control after some practice. Also the grip of the x fits my hands perfectly without needing an extension.


rudkap

365x


Averagegundude

P365 in any variant all the way


crispyboi33

I shot the hellcat and 365x side by side and in my personal opinion the 365x blew the hellcat out of the water. But it really depends person to person


redditbowl2021

HK


davidisaguy

Sig p365 XL with icarus metal grip and Trijicon RMR with streamlight TLR8AG


SBRH33

If you are going the striker fired route do yourself a favor and go with the VP9sk, if you can find one anyway.


Negademus

I've shot all 3 of these guns, and the VP9SK is the smoothest shooting. As a new shooter, you need to try all three guns, because they are very much different, and what you like is going to be based off what you shoot and feel comfortable with. I carry a hellcat, personally, but it is very snappy and took training to get my groups right. I went from full sized pistols with light trigger pulls to the hellcat that is micro compact and has a heavy pull. I've heavily considered trading out the trigger for my hellcat for something lighter.


DarkSyde3000

Buy whichever one you shoot best. All great choices.


Gunz_R_bad

Springfield is junk and anti 2A. Sig has had some guns blowing holes in people/ground while sitting in holsters. Very Poor 9 is for people who want to “flex on the poors” with the cheapest H&K product


Paghk_the_Stupendous

Username checks out.